1. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. cweaver • 7 yr. Apr 8, 2018. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Additional comment actions. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. 5 years ago. Beyonder 39%. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. #1 Omega48. King_Saturn. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Pre Retcon Beyonder. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. ago. 0. Reviews: 0. Beyonder 16. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Along with being superior to the concept of Spatiality and Temporality. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. bloodlisted. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. 9 years ago. 4 years ago s1ckb0yBeak and Toad are on the same level as Daredevil,. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. 8 C. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Earth 691 Beyonder. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Follow 4533. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. -. Wiki Points. R2: God stomps. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. 9: Dr. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. The Beyonder stomps. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. 9: Dr. 10 years ago. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on. 81. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Sppople. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. 0. Followers. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. Super Power Score and Level. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. I forget her name. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Lucifer. Jan 22, 2017. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. 140. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. Forum Posts. Business, Economics, and Finance. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. . 1,102. Also no Heart Of The Universe). There's a difference. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Preretcon Beyonder wins. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. Well technically Dr. . In dc put in Bat Mite and Superman prime the. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Business, Economics, and Finance. New Comics. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. who’s full power. 10 years ago. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. The. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Beyonder snorts him. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. ago. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. May 26, 2023. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. ago. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. Origin: Marvel Comics. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Beyonder 73%. Quantu. I guess ill make some rules 1. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Forum Posts. Kuuko273. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Beyonder. the_doctor. #1. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Jan 29, 2017. I think he wins this. #28 ovy7. #14. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Tdk banished the Great Darkness from Barbatos, and took over the Dark multiverse, Barbatos is just a small avatar of the Great Darkness. Share to. Beyonder is called "Omnipotent" in all the. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. 0. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Thank you. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. #3 JohanLiebert123. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. ago. 13. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Molecule Man is a character from Marvel Comics. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. 9. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. #13 AgentofChaos1. honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). How you interpret that is irrelevant. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. 5. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. 9 years ago. Sep 6, 2015. #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. I think he wins this. 7 years ago. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. show 3 replies . The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Wiki Points. RRPanther • 7 mo. 33. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. But, that was in regard to a. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. Nope. -One. Mr. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. Multi-Oblivion 22. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. . I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. CryptoWeaknesses. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. 9 years ago. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Manhattan is super strong. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. 6. 3. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. - Neither. 8. PR Beyonder curbstomps. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. 5 years. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. That's all there is to it. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder needs some preparation. Been done here on the vine. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. Forum Posts. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. it would be mostly stalemate. Wiki Points. FollowHe wielded the Dunamis Demiurgos which is the literal power of God. Pre Retcon Beyonder sees an. Follow. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Super Power Score and Level. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. This is not a stomp either way. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. ago. Prep isn’t an instant win and Rick got bodied by some below wall level guys even with prep. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. I also added scans and references. ago. show 3 replies . 3. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. Add a Comment. Beyonder is not that strong unless you wank him with his omnipotence bs which is stupid considering Michael's power has been stated to be limitless too. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. Yes, Pre-Retcon Beyonder can erase the fodder low level abstracts from Marvel Multiverse that goes from universal to low-multiversal incarnations bound by physics and that cannot exists outside. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. Numidium 2. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. " So, name someone. 3. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. HeartLesS 14 d . You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. A Time Lords) from the. Also. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. #8 Edited By Sungsam. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Current Beyonder looks to be back to his Pre Retcon level. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. He. 2. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Creshosk. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. Team 1 wins. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). 13 years ago. Reconstructs and Reignites all Stars in the Galaxy. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. #36. Nov 6, 2017. Beyonder is either: A. it would be mostly stalemate. Cc goku is outer by surpassing the universal tree that has infinite dimensions. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. who universe. Even if. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins, while I think he is not. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. 4 years. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Both are in character. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. There are levels of overpowered. Forum Posts. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Round 2 : Post Retcon. 8 years ago. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. And yeah he stomps.